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		<title>By: nikin</title>
		<link>http://robrohan.com/2007/12/10/moving-from-mac-to-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6196</link>
		<dc:creator>nikin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Vendor lock-in is a hard problem, and as i see a lot of companies are actualy trying nowdays to lock in people. And nor the People, nor the Companies understand that using formats like PSD, EPX (or what), DOC, XLS, etc. WIll incrase the costs of switching by a horrible amount.  Where i work we are now planing an MSO &gt; OO.o switch, and it looks like that our most resource expensive task will be to convert and review every single document we have. I have to admit that back then there where not a lot of alternatives, but it is 2008, and Open Formats are a big buzz. Just this buzz just does not tuch the CEOs of our partner companyes. I tend to belive that in a perfect world there would be a bunch of people designing and standardilizing formats. And every single company will obey the rules. And that once the programmers will yet again write applications, not solutions. And theese problms are old as hell... just look at the text files... i mean .TXT plaintext stuff... with all the encodings and i dont know what. People should sit down and make a format that supports every language in an easy to process way (constant 4 bytes / char) it will not take a lot of diskspace. And some compression will just make all the size difference disapear.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vendor lock-in is a hard problem, and as i see a lot of companies are actualy trying nowdays to lock in people. And nor the People, nor the Companies understand that using formats like PSD, EPX (or what), DOC, XLS, etc. WIll incrase the costs of switching by a horrible amount.  Where i work we are now planing an MSO &gt; OO.o switch, and it looks like that our most resource expensive task will be to convert and review every single document we have. I have to admit that back then there where not a lot of alternatives, but it is 2008, and Open Formats are a big buzz. Just this buzz just does not tuch the CEOs of our partner companyes. I tend to belive that in a perfect world there would be a bunch of people designing and standardilizing formats. And every single company will obey the rules. And that once the programmers will yet again write applications, not solutions. And theese problms are old as hell&#8230; just look at the text files&#8230; i mean .TXT plaintext stuff&#8230; with all the encodings and i dont know what. People should sit down and make a format that supports every language in an easy to process way (constant 4 bytes / char) it will not take a lot of diskspace. And some compression will just make all the size difference disapear.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: 小罗</title>
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		<dc:creator>小罗</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Brian @Paul :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t speak to the Leopard kernel panics (I&#039;ve actually not had that happen on Leopard, only once on Panther), but to add to the bootcamp bit...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just got an Intel Mac and now run Ubuntu 8 in VMWare, but the cool UI effects don&#039;t work.  They did, however, work fine on the G4 dual boot setup. That alone lends a bit of ammo to bootcamping performance gain.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I can&#8217;t speak to the Leopard kernel panics (I&#8217;ve actually not had that happen on Leopard, only once on Panther), but to add to the bootcamp bit&#8230;</p>

<p>I just got an Intel Mac and now run Ubuntu 8 in VMWare, but the cool UI effects don&#8217;t work.  They did, however, work fine on the G4 dual boot setup. That alone lends a bit of ammo to bootcamping performance gain.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Takita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Takita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Paul
&quot;I believe Parallels and VMWare Fusion will both allow you to install Ubuntu. Why not create a virtual machine for Ubuntu on your Mac?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Parallels only enables one core + a limited amount of memory to be allocated to each virtual process. I saw some significant performance gains when using bootcamping into ubuntu.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also at my workplace, Leopard kernel panics more frequently than Windows 98/ME ever did. It potentially has something to do with lsof. Anyways we got rid of the code that uses lsof and it kernel panics &quot;only&quot; 2-3 times a week now.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul
&#8220;I believe Parallels and VMWare Fusion will both allow you to install Ubuntu. Why not create a virtual machine for Ubuntu on your Mac?&#8221;</p>

<p>Parallels only enables one core + a limited amount of memory to be allocated to each virtual process. I saw some significant performance gains when using bootcamping into ubuntu.</p>

<p>Also at my workplace, Leopard kernel panics more frequently than Windows 98/ME ever did. It potentially has something to do with lsof. Anyways we got rid of the code that uses lsof and it kernel panics &#8220;only&#8221; 2-3 times a week now.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: One of the Many Reason I Dig Mac &#124; Times New Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>One of the Many Reason I Dig Mac &#124; Times New Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] one of my previous posts, I got a bit upset about getting my OS locked in to one vendor (Apple). However, I had to go buy a new laptop for a gig I was doing a few months [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had a 15in MacBook pro but I sold it and got a  a Powerbook 1.33 G4 12in and it started giving me fits with Leopard. Found out it was my harddrive.  I replaced it (abot at 20 min procedure) and now it runs with no crashes except in Macsword which is a fault in Macsword.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here are my main programs&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Firefox - A G4 optimized build available at http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/ - I use the point releases not the nightly builds i.e. 2.0.0.14&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;iScroll - The main reason I could never switch back to windows I must have 2 finger scrolling.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MacSword - ead and search Bible for Mac&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NeoOffice 2.3 - Takes a minute to open, but wow this program is great.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Word 2008 - Use to crash then they released an update and all is well. Still I set the autosave to 1 minute you can never trust MS&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;iMovie 08 - Works slowly but great - http://www.teksanity.com/iMovie/iMovie_08_on_G4/Intro.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;iMovie 06 - It is just easier for some things&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;iPhoto 08 - use to crash but after latest update all is well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MailPlane - There is just no way to describe te way that this program simplifies e-mail in OS X. Seein is believing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Terminal.app - Yeah like 60% of my digital time is spent troubleshooting networking. OS X is my far the most stable network client and server.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a 15in MacBook pro but I sold it and got a  a Powerbook 1.33 G4 12in and it started giving me fits with Leopard. Found out it was my harddrive.  I replaced it (abot at 20 min procedure) and now it runs with no crashes except in Macsword which is a fault in Macsword.</p>

<p>Here are my main programs</p>

<p>Firefox &#8211; A G4 optimized build available at <a href="http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/</a> &#8211; I use the point releases not the nightly builds i.e. 2.0.0.14</p>

<p>iScroll &#8211; The main reason I could never switch back to windows I must have 2 finger scrolling.</p>

<p>MacSword &#8211; ead and search Bible for Mac</p>

<p>NeoOffice 2.3 &#8211; Takes a minute to open, but wow this program is great.</p>

<p>Word 2008 &#8211; Use to crash then they released an update and all is well. Still I set the autosave to 1 minute you can never trust MS</p>

<p>iMovie 08 &#8211; Works slowly but great &#8211; <a href="http://www.teksanity.com/iMovie/iMovie_08_on_G4/Intro.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.teksanity.com/iMovie/iMovie_08_on_G4/Intro.html</a></p>

<p>iMovie 06 &#8211; It is just easier for some things</p>

<p>iPhoto 08 &#8211; use to crash but after latest update all is well.</p>

<p>MailPlane &#8211; There is just no way to describe te way that this program simplifies e-mail in OS X. Seein is believing.</p>

<p>Terminal.app &#8211; Yeah like 60% of my digital time is spent troubleshooting networking. OS X is my far the most stable network client and server.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Elton One &#187; Linux, Ubuntu &#38; A Powerbook G4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elton One &#187; Linux, Ubuntu &#38; A Powerbook G4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] some reading I found this post at http://robrohan.com/2007/12/10/moving-from-mac-to-ubuntu/ which helped and on my Powerbook G4 (Machine Model PowerBook5,2) the following works well across [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] some reading I found this post at <a href="http://robrohan.com/2007/12/10/moving-from-mac-to-ubuntu/" rel="nofollow">http://robrohan.com/2007/12/10/moving-from-mac-to-ubuntu/</a> which helped and on my Powerbook G4 (Machine Model PowerBook5,2) the following works well across [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Eltonone aka Elton # 1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ububtu, A Powerbook G4 &#38; How To Make It Work</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eltonone aka Elton # 1 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ububtu, A Powerbook G4 &#38; How To Make It Work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] quick search brought up this great post by 小罗 w which while sharing many of my views on Apple recently also has some great [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Maybe You Really DO Like Windows Vista &#171; Bruce&#8217;s Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maybe You Really DO Like Windows Vista &#171; Bruce&#8217;s Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Moving from Mac to Ubuntu [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: 小罗</title>
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		<dc:creator>小罗</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;What in trying to say to you is that you’ll be vendor-locked even with an intel mac.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even with boot camp or Parallels? I have several friends who run both Mac and WIndows on intel boxes with no problems. I don&#039;t personally know anyone boot camp&#039;ing Linux, but quite a few running in in Parallels - they seems to be ok.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where you totally wiping the box and trying to just run Linux?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What in trying to say to you is that you’ll be vendor-locked even with an intel mac.&#8221;</p>

<p>Even with boot camp or Parallels? I have several friends who run both Mac and WIndows on intel boxes with no problems. I don&#8217;t personally know anyone boot camp&#8217;ing Linux, but quite a few running in in Parallels &#8211; they seems to be ok.</p>

<p>Where you totally wiping the box and trying to just run Linux?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jesper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I feel you. I bought an intel mac but got sick of the os itself after a while. Imagine how i felt when i found that this macbook refused to run linux (could not get it to work in a satisfactory way despite considerable tweaking). I eventually sold the thing and bought a dell and i haven looked back since. What in trying to say to you is that you&#039;ll be vendor-locked even with an hotel mac. Good luck with your future pc. :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel you. I bought an intel mac but got sick of the os itself after a while. Imagine how i felt when i found that this macbook refused to run linux (could not get it to work in a satisfactory way despite considerable tweaking). I eventually sold the thing and bought a dell and i haven looked back since. What in trying to say to you is that you&#8217;ll be vendor-locked even with an hotel mac. Good luck with your future pc. :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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